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Thanks to a  volunteer who has stepped forward to take over as admin1 the AMIPP Forum lives on and the plan to freeze the forum at the end of March 2014 is now cancelled.
Over the last two weeks the volunteer has worked hard with me so that the handover could take place effectively.
I am confident that he has demonstrated that he is very competent to be admin1 and at this time like admin2 he wishes to remain anonymous.
(I will remain in the backgroud as admin3 for a short period.)
Welcome aboard new admin1.
Signing off.
Old admin1
Mike Eacott
 
Re: Freezing the AMIPP Forums. ... growingold, WELL SAID SIR.
Posted by: cathcam (IP Logged)
Date: 29 December 2013 10:40PM

>>I believe that the anonymity issue, with respect to legal liability, is something of a red herring.
>>A website administrator (and/or owner) has EXACTLY the same responsibilities (and hence liability)
>>irrespective of whether posters are anonymous or not.

It's my experience that it is not. It's interesting that the link you provided and the original question was posed and answered in America. Yes, here you are not at any more risk. I think you'll find that in the UK the law is different.

>>To summarise, if a court order is served on an admin then that person has a duty to assist the court to
>>carry out its instructions.

Yes, but that assumes the court will issue an order, which is very different. The real problem here is in pre-trial disclosure, often referred to as a "fishing trip".

>>If the instructions call on the admin to hand over all the information he or she has on a poster then
>>that is what he or she must do. If the admin has no real names of posters then they cannot be handed over
>>and the admin's liability ends there.

Yes thats true to a point. Try not collecting the information in the UK and claiming thats the extent of your liability. While for the most part companies would rather not pursue for the sake of the negative publicity, for the most part they will if what is said is serious enough, your liability is EXACTLY like a newspaper editor, and not the printer. The Newspaper Editor has on staff legal, can get advice, etc. and as we've seen from numerous UK cases, can be taken to court and LOSE. This rarely happens in the US.

>>There is no legal requirement to collect real identity data and hence no liability but if you do collect
>>it then you create the liability.

Correct and I never said there was. Again, the advice I received in the past in two UK based cases, if you had the real identity, if necessary and ordered by the court, you could give that up which would move the issue of liability. Almost all bulletinboard and website software collects IP addresses, IBM tracks it, and again, through personal experience, I can tell you, when they need to identify you, they will. I can very clearly remember being called to see Linda Sanford with IBM UK Legal in the Hursely office, probably in 2000 and being told that my disclosure was neither clever, nor advisable and what the consequences were should there be further disclosures.

>>For myself I would NEVER hand over credit card information to a forum administrator simply for the
>>purpose of identification - who knows what may subsequently happen to it.

Assuming we went ahead and required this, the admins would never see your credit card information. You would be forwarded to a secure payment gateway, your name/address could be routed back but none of the credit card detail. Yes, and of course I'm aware that the records of the payment gateway could be supenored.

I think at this point we shouldn't spend anymore time on legal discussion unless someone here is legally qualified. Lets agree that the legal process and laws between the US and UK are very different. Insomuch as it can be summarized, in the UK if you accuse someone of lying or cheating, you have to be able to prove the accusation.

In the US, due to the freedom of speech laws, I can call you a lyer and a cheat, the accused has to prove the accuser is wrong. While in both cases having a judgement against you can be a disaster, it's my experience that even getting to the point where you are required to go to court is as stressful and possibly more expensive.



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