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Thanks to a  volunteer who has stepped forward to take over as admin1 the AMIPP Forum lives on and the plan to freeze the forum at the end of March 2014 is now cancelled.
Over the last two weeks the volunteer has worked hard with me so that the handover could take place effectively.
I am confident that he has demonstrated that he is very competent to be admin1 and at this time like admin2 he wishes to remain anonymous.
(I will remain in the backgroud as admin3 for a short period.)
Welcome aboard new admin1.
Signing off.
Old admin1
Mike Eacott
 
Re: Freezing the AMIPP Forums
Posted by: cathcam (IP Logged)
Date: 29 December 2013 03:34AM

I think we are confusing my personal preferences with the needs of the community. I'm trying to respond to discussion points, it seems like you are writing requirements and epic users stories :)

If I were starting a pensions forum, to discuss IBM UK Pensions, policies and legal issues surrounding these, then I'd definitely want to do it as you've listed. This would provide ME with the maximum protection with the minimum risk, especially as I'm in the USA.

However, since I made the offer of help, I've seen only a few comments that suggest real name registration, even where the real names are kept private, was not considered ideal for existing employees; there were comments about data, courts etc.

My suggestion about private hosting was purely to alleviate fears about the data being released to the courts. Hosting in Russia or elsewhere is a mostly pointless exercises in my opinion. Either the data needs to be kept really private, or it doesn't.

Sending it to Russia or elsewhere just puts into the hands of unknown/untrusted 3rd parties, it's security by obscurity of the worst kind. Blackmail anyone? Yes, thats extreme, but if you imagine getting into the realm where IBM would apply to the courts for the data, I'd assume getting blackmailed would come either before that, or soon after.

In my opinion, if you want the real privacy, then real name registration is a pre-requisite. Otherwise you have no real security out of the gate if you do not know who has access. Real name registration has a number of legal advantages. FYI. I created a PDF of this website, including all the forum posts in just 5-mins tonight. Admin1 should be able to see this from the server logs.

I've already had a discussion with Michael of http://www.grackledesign.com/ - He is more than willing to do the setup we need, I just have to agree pricing and the scope of the effort.

My concern over a forum with a wider remit than just IBM UK Pensions is that it would soon attract the "nut jobs" those that want to rant about stuff that is of little or no interest to me. I'd guess it would, if successful, soon venture down the path of discussing products(which takes us into an entirely different legal realm.

If this is something people feel is worth doing, ie anonymous registration for a broad, internationally based, IBM discussion group, with little limitation on topics, then you are right, I want nothing to do with it. If however, if members here want to be the admins, start the forum to discuss IBM UK Pensions then branch out, I am still willing to have this setup for you on a hosted server.

So, I think the questions that have to be answered are:

scope? < What is the forum for?
scale? < Who are the users?
Privacy? < How private is the data and the users? Do we collect IP addresses?
Security? < How secure does the data/posts need to be?

Go have a look at tritalk.co.uk - there have been some 1.5 million posts, 89 thousand topics, 17 thousand users, averaging about 400 posts per day. You simply can't manually admin that, or pre-screen posts.

It's open and anyone can view the forums http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/ each entry has a number of buttons on the top right. You won't be able to see most of them as you are not registered. Unless you were an admin you wont see some of them.

As a member, you can click a small exclamation point. This opens a small input box that allows you to add comments and report the post. All members can report the post, we set the guidelines, mostly around inappropriate images or content, and also commercial posts, advertising etc. All admins(about 10) get an email alert and the alert contains a link to the post. The admins can then click the small X and delete the post, in extreme cases, and we do, delete entire threads.

Admins can also click the small IP button. This not only shows which IP address this post came from, it also takes an admin to a page that shows all IP addresses that user has posted from, how many times from each IP etc.

Yes, IP addresses can be spoofed, but knowing the IP address, and having an email verified userid, allows us to at least make it difficult for them to re-register if the admins ban them.

So, a few more points to consider. Maybe we could set up an anonymous surveymonkey survery to get a view of what people want? ++Mark.



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