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Re: Pension Statements - IBM interpretation of first court judgement.
Posted by: Mad Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February 2014 09:33AM

GG - Thanks for your interest, I will attempt to summarise.

(1) The issue affects Hybrid Deferred members. I think that only Hybrid Deferred members will be affected by this, as other currently active members with different status (e.g. Enhanced M) no longer have a DB element to their pension.

(2) The issue relates to the application of CPI uplift to the DB element of the pension. Since April 2011, the DB element of the plan for Hybrid Deferred members was closed to new contributions but its value is supposed to be "protected" from inflationary devaluation by the 'Deferred Underpin', that being the value of your pension as at 5 April 2011 (using Final Pensionable Earnings, pensionable service and State Pension Deductions as at that date) increased by ‘Statutory Revaluation’.

(3) There appear to be two instances in the Jan 2014 statement where the expected Statutory Revaluation has not been applied:

(a) For ages 60 to 63, the 2014 statement shows pension value based on either the Statutory Revaluation or based on no application of ERDF from age 63 (whichever is the higher). Therefore it appears that where IBM is complying with the first court case judgement (no ERDF ages 60 to 63), that benefit is significantly weakened by the absence of Statutory Uplift for those ages.

(b) In the "leaving service benefits" section, the deferred value of the main DB plan has not changed from the last statement (Dec 2012) to the current statement (Jan 2014). Hence no Statutory Uplift is apparent to the leaving service benefit, which as a result is reduced in real terms through the effects of inflation.

In fact the situation described in 3(a) above is more complex than I've summarised, due to some weird and unexplained actions done at age 61 (as AceBuzz has noted). However I think for the sake of this summary that is the essence of the problem.



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  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1639 Eddy 09 February 2014 08:26PM
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  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1117 Mad Dog 11 February 2014 06:44PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1142 Ace Buzz 11 February 2014 07:14PM
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