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Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue
Posted by: CeeGee (IP Logged)
Date: 12 February 2014 03:06PM

Ace Buzz Wrote:
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> So to put it at it's most basic - either they
> don't take the ERDF off OR they raise the pension
> in line with CPI but they won't do both. So is
> there a "choose your poison" option or has IBM
> decided already on the statement ? I apologise
> again for these simple questions but I don't have
> the staement so can't see for myself.

The way I read it (and I'm NOT 100% sure I'm right) the statutory revaluation has been applied to all ages except 60 and 62 (again, I ask why not 61?). At ages 60, (61?) 62 they have used whichever method gives the higher result (but don't say which one). Looking at the table on the opposite page (age at retirement; Cplan pension; ASC/AVC pension; total pension) and from comments made above it would appear that at ages 60 and 61 basis A(no-ERDF) has been used, because the figures are the same as the Dec 2012 statement. At 62 the figure is higher than the 2012 statement so I have to assume that is because basis B(statutory revaluation) has been used.

Eddy summarised the notes earlier, but to repeat for those who don't have access to a statement:

Main Plan pension
On the basis that the April 2011 changes were valid, the retirement illustrations in this statement for your Hybrid Deferred Plan have been based on the higher of the following:

A. The value of your pension as at 5 December 2013, using your Final Pensionable Earnings as at 5 December 2013, but pensionable service and State Pension Deduction as at 5 April 2011;and

B. The benefit provided by the ‘Deferred Underpin’, this being the value of your pension as at 5 April 2011 (using Final Pensionable Earnings, pensionable service and State Pension Deductions as at that date) increased by ‘Statutory Revaluation’.

Statutory revaluation is the amount by which your pension entitlement would have been increased had you left the membership of the C Plan completely on 5 April 2011, and underpins the value that you will receive from the Hybrid Deferred Scheme at retirement.

Any Early Retirement Discount Factors (ERDFs) and Plan limits have then been applied. As advised by the Plan Actuary, an assumed cost neutral ERDF of 4% per year (compound) has been applied to the figures for each year of retirement before your NRA of 63*.

*The exception to this is for the pensions quoted for ages 60 and 62, which, in accordance with the C Plan Court judgment, have been calculated on basis (A) above but with no ERDFs being applied, where this provides a higher value than basis (B) (after the application of ERDFs).

Regards,



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  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1502 ImGone 08 February 2014 11:35AM
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  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1655 Eddy 09 February 2014 08:26PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1279 Mad Dog 10 February 2014 12:07AM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1369 Eddy 10 February 2014 07:47AM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1931 CeeGee 11 February 2014 04:13PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1289 Eddy 10 February 2014 04:16PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1297 Mad Dog 10 February 2014 05:44PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1269 Eddy 11 February 2014 08:43AM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1189 Mad Dog 11 February 2014 06:52PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1168 Eddy 11 February 2014 05:57PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1135 Mad Dog 11 February 2014 06:44PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1158 Ace Buzz 11 February 2014 07:14PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1261 Mad Dog 11 February 2014 07:34PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1225 CeeGee 11 February 2014 09:49PM
  Re: Pension Statements - A strange CPI Issue 1349 Ace Buzz 12 February 2014 06:21AM
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