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From the Message Board - 18 to 25 September
Posted by Chas Tyler on
18 September 2000 at 20:23:05:
I have written the following letter to my MP today:-
The Rt. Hon. David Liddington, M.P.
House of Commons
London SW1A 0AA
18 September 2000
Dear Mr Liddington,
I'm an IBM United Kingdom retiree and I'm concerned with the transfer of
funds from a closed pension plan, the plan I'm a member of ( known
within IBM as the 'C' plan) and a new plan (the 'M' plan) started in
1997.
Is IBM "Doing a Maxwell" with the pension fund contributions paid in by
former employees and still paid into by current pre-1997 IBM employees.
I am writing to you to ask if you are aware that a pressure group has
been formed to present the case to the ombudsman and the controlling
body for pension funds.
For the current state of the issues please refer to the website:
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/cplan/
Yours sincerely,
Charles Tyler
Posted by Roger Burtenshaw
on 21 September 2000 at 10:14:20:
I have written the following letter to MP for Havant today:-
The Rt. Hon. David Willetts, M.P.
House of Commons
London SW1A 0AA
Dear Mr Willetts,
I'm an IBM United Kingdom retiree and I'm concerned with the transfer of
funds from a closed contributory final salary pension plan to a new
defined contribution pension plan. IBM's purpose being to allow the
company to take further 'contribution holidays' by unfairly diverting
members contributions to another plan for a different member group.
In the USA, IBM is receiving very poor press as a result of its
callous raiding of its current employees pension funds, here IBM appears
to be raiding the future pension increases of all its retirees and most
employees with more than 5 years service.
Is IBM "Doing a Maxwell" with the pension fund contributions paid in by
former employees and still being paid into by current pre-1997 IBM
employees.
I am writing to you to ask if you are aware that a pressure group has
been formed to present the case to the ombudsman and the controlling
body for pension funds.
Are you able to lend your support to an issue that is affecting a
significant number of people in Havant?
For the current state of the issues please refer to the website:
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/cplan/
Yours sincerely,
Roger Burtenshaw
Posted by Richard Phillips
on 02 October 2000 at 00:48:32:
I have last week sent the following letter to my MP.
Having read all the stuff on the Web Site, I realise that my
description of what has been happening is not completely accurate, but I
think it's close enough. I have not yet had a response.
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Michael Mates MP
House of Commons
Westminster
LONDON
SW1A 0AA
September 26, 2000
Dear Mr Mates
Urgent - Occupational Pension Schemes
In 1991, along with many others, a good number of whom will live in
East Hampshire, I retired from IBM under an early retirement arrangement
when they were reducing their workforce dramatically.
At the time, I was a member of their then Pension Scheme (The 'C' Plan),
which provided for a pension based on Final Salary.
Under its terms, I was not entitled to regular pension increments,
but we were told that the scheme was and would continue to be funded by
the company to permit discretionary annual increments at 70% of the
prevailing Retail Prices Index. There was a history of such payments,
the company was then perceived as being benevolent towards its retired
employees, and this was mentioned frequently in the process of
persuading us to retire early, though the discretionary nature of the
increases was emphasised. For a few years this was the pattern of
increments.
However, all that has changed with a change of management in he USA,
where the firm is based. Lately, the "70% of RPI" increases have been
appearing at 18 month intervals, which means the real value of the
pension has started to fall more quickly.
At the same time, the pension fund which underlies the scheme has
prospered in a good investment environment, and has accrued a very large
surplus (some £700m.) over what is actuarially required to fulfil its
liabilities. As a result, the company has taken several contribution
'holidays', as the law allows.
In the 1990s the law on pensions was changed, and the company was
obliged to start offering its employees a pension which was guaranteed
to increase in payment at 100% of RPI. Its response was to close the
C-Plan to new entrants, and to start a new scheme for current and future
employees, the M-Plan, which complied with the new legal requirement.
They did not, though, set up a new pension fund to undertake the new
obligation, but instead the contributions to the new scheme are paid
into the same fund as were the C-Plan contributions, and the same fund
is to be used to pay the new, inflation-proof, pensions. Worse still,
the company is raiding the surplus in the fund in order to pay its
enhanced contributions to the new scheme.
So I am losing out in two ways:
The surplus built up using past employee contributions including mine
is being used to pay inflation-proof pensions to others, but not to me,
and to cover the cost of providing them. The 'surplus' is being rapidly
exhausted.
My own pension is at the same time shrinking in value at a greater
rate than I was led to expect.
I gather that IBM is not the only firm which is taking this
disgraceful line.
Would you be so kind as to raise this matter in parliament, please?
In particular, would you press for a change in the law to oblige
employers to use surpluses in pension funds to provide
inflation-proofing for existing pensioners in addition to current and
new employees when they retire, and before those surpluses are used as
an excuse for employer 'contribution holidays' or raided for other
purposes?
Meanwhile, with a group of other IBM pensioners, I am exploring ways
to use the existing law to force the company to behave more ethically
correctly, and your support would be much appreciated.
At a time when there is a clear move in all political parties to
ensure that everyone has a worthwhile personal pension in addition to
the state pension with a view to reducing the cost to the public purse
of the latter, a new class of people is about to be created who thought
they had made such provision but will have been cheated of it. Some of
them may unnecessarily become a charge on the public purse in the future
as a result.
This is very urgent.
Thank you for your attention
Posted by Roger Burtenshaw on 16
October 2000 at 10:55:37:
I have had the following response from my MP, David Willets.
Thank you for your letter of 21 September about the IBM pension fund.
I understand your frustration with the transfer of funds from the
defined benefit scheme to a defined contribution one for current
workers. Pensioners with an occupational pension scheme have a right to
expect fair treatment and a decent income they should not feel they are
losing out to younger people.
The legislation surrounding pension funds is extremely complicated
and the case is now in the hands of the Pensions Ombudsman. I have
written to the Ombudsman asking him to keep me informed of the progress
of his investigation and will contact you again when I receive a reply.
DAVID WILLETTS MP
CC of letter by David Willets to Pensions Ombudsman
Dr Julian Farrand
Pensions Ombudsman
11 Belgrave Road
London SW1V lRB
I have a number of former IBM employees living in my constituency who
are concerned about the changes that have been made to their
occupational pension lund. The Pensions Ombudsman is currently
investigating the issue (OPAS reference number 26121). I would be
grateful if you could inform me of the progress of this investigation,
as I am keen to ensure my constituents' rights are protected and that
they are treated fairly
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